From: David Cantrell Date: 14:10 on 03 Apr 2007 Subject: The most hateful thing is the world is ... This: > Thank you for your email to daniel@xxxxxxxx.xxx... > ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE AND HIT SEND. > The long version: > Thanks for your email! However, I now get over 150 spam emails a day. That's just too many to handle. And unfortunately, my automatic filters like to claim that mail from my family and friends is spam. So I have to double check all those messages to make sure I'm not actually ignoring my mom instead of the spam. Since I haven't setup your email address on my approved list yet (sorry!), you need to let me know you're not an evil spammer. > > Please don't change the subject line when you reply. The text in the subject tells my email server how to locate your message and forward it on to me. > > I know this is inconvenient ... ... but I'm going to do it anyway instead of spending a tiny bit of effort myself, because it would be *your* effort, not mine, and *your* time isn't important. > If you don't reply within a few days, my email server will delete your message. I'll never get to read it. So please reply. Thanks! > > The headers of the message sent from your address are show below: > > From hates-software-bounce@xxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx Tue Apr 03 07:08:21 2007 > ... > List-Id: hates-software <hates-software.siesta.unixbeard.net> The hateful software part of it is, of course, that the software decides to waste the time of people posting to mailing lists to which its master has subscribed by ignoring the List-Id header. But tbh, I hate Daniel more than I hate his software.
From: H.Merijn Brand Date: 14:24 on 03 Apr 2007 Subject: Re: The most hateful thing is the world is ... On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:10:45 +0100, David Cantrell <david@xxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> wrote: Hmm, the subject made me want to post something non-software related, but that would be OffTopic and probably inappropriate to use in a follow-up on this mail ...
From: A. Pagaltzis Date: 14:32 on 03 Apr 2007 Subject: Re: The most hateful thing is the world is ... Hi David, * David Cantrell <david@xxxxxxxx.xxx.xx> [2007-04-03 15:15]: > This: > > > Thank you for your email to daniel@xxxxxxxx.xxx... > > ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE AND HIT SEND. > > The long version: > > Thanks for your email! However, I now get over 150 spam > > emails a day. That's just too many to handle. And > > unfortunately, my automatic filters like to claim that mail > > from my family and friends is spam. So I have to double check > > all those messages to make sure I'm not actually ignoring my > > mom instead of the spam. Since I haven't setup your email > > address on my approved list yet (sorry!), you need to let me > > know you're not an evil spammer. I have taken to active countermeasures now: a) I DO NOT respond to the challenge when the mail is legit. b) I ALWAYS respond to the challenge when the mail is spam. I figure that these people are asking me to send a spam mail straight to their inbox and providing me with all the tools to do it, so who am I to refuse? And what's a little whitelist pollution between friends, y'know? I'll gladly help out a pal. Regards,
From: David Mackintosh
Date: 17:26 on 03 Apr 2007
Subject: Re: The most hateful thing is the world is ...
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On Tue, Apr 03, 2007 at 02:10:45PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
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> > Thank you for your email to daniel@xxxxxxxx.xxx...
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> The hateful software part of it is, of course, that the software decides
> to waste the time of people posting to mailing lists to which its master
> has subscribed by ignoring the List-Id header. But tbh, I hate Daniel
> more than I hate his software.
This was my first reaction too, but then I wondered if I was confusing my
hatred for the software with hatred for people who don't know how to use
their software, broken as it proabably is.
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From: David Cantrell Date: 11:21 on 04 Apr 2007 Subject: Re: The most hateful thing is the world is ... On Tue, Apr 03, 2007 at 12:26:07PM -0400, David Mackintosh wrote: > On Tue, Apr 03, 2007 at 02:10:45PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: > > The hateful software part of it is, of course, that the software decides > > to waste the time of people posting to mailing lists to which its master > > has subscribed by ignoring the List-Id header. But tbh, I hate Daniel > > more than I hate his software. > This was my first reaction too, but then I wondered if I was confusing my > hatred for the software with hatred for people who don't know how to use > their software, broken as it proabably is. Such software should *never* under *any circumstances* send a challenge to something to contains a List-Id. If it does contain a List-Id, then it is either a mailing list that the user signed up to and which consequently shouldn't be challenged, or it is something pretending to be a legitimate mailing list (ie, spam) and so there's no point challenging it as you'll never get a truthful "yes it was me and it's not spam" response.
From: Phil Pennock Date: 03:02 on 05 Apr 2007 Subject: Re: The most hateful thing is the world is ... On 2007-04-04 at 11:21 +0100, David Cantrell wrote: > Such software should *never* under *any circumstances* send a challenge > to something to contains a List-Id. If it does contain a List-Id, then > it is either a mailing list that the user signed up to and which > consequently shouldn't be challenged, or it is something pretending to > be a legitimate mailing list (ie, spam) and so there's no point > challenging it as you'll never get a truthful "yes it was me and it's > not spam" response. Or its a bounce-forward, in which case the sender will hopefully be already whitelisted. Eg, friend bounces on interesting posts occasionally, acting as a S/N filter. -Phil, fighting over-generalisations
From: Sean Conner Date: 19:51 on 03 Apr 2007 Subject: Re: The most hateful thing is the world is ... It was thus said that the Great David Cantrell once stated: > > The hateful software part of it is, of course, that the software decides > to waste the time of people posting to mailing lists to which its master > has subscribed by ignoring the List-Id header. But tbh, I hate Daniel > more than I hate his software. Well, not trying to defend Daniel here, but I have a filter rule that any email with a "List-Id:" header gets stuffed into a mailing list folder. I was rather surprised to find spam in there, and upon further investigation, it appears that some spammers *are* using mailing list software to send their nefarious messages. -spc (Constantly amazed at the amount of money that goes unclaimed in Nigeria ... )
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