From: David Cantrell Date: 12:27 on 25 Aug 2003 Subject: Mac usenet software I will first commit two heresies, so please forgive me. Heresy the first: there is one piece of Usenet client software which I happen to think Doesn't Suck Much. That is Forte Agent, and I have been a happy customer for many years. Heresy the second: it runs on Windows. But for many years, I have been a Windows-free zone. Thankfully, there is Wine, which I hate for all sorts of reasons, but at least it mostly lets me run Agent on Linux. I say mostly, because for no apparent reason a couple of years ago the cursor keys stopped working (and no, I hadn't been dicking around in the config files), and they remain not working despite having upgraded X and Wine, moved my installation to a machine running in Virtual PC on a nice shiny Mac, and indeed still not working in a brand new fresh install in Virtual PC. Cursor keys work everywhere else, including other applications running under Wine. But that's not what I am currently hating. Y'see, running Windows apps under Wine on Linux in Virtual PC on Mac OS X ain't fast. Screen refreshes are nasty. I can see the individual letters appear on the screen with a noticeable lag when I'm typing. Every so often I have to stop typing to let it catch up. For reading news, it's fine, but posting is made hard (which some would say is a good thing, but I hate those people). So every few months I get sufficiently pissed off and decide to find a native OS X client with a shiny GUI. You woulda thunk that Mac people, being into shiny things and usability, would have at least one useable news program. But no, they don't. They all suck, and they all manage to suck and deserve hate in interesting, new and different ways.
From: Earle Martin
Date: 14:10 on 25 Aug 2003
Subject: Re: Mac usenet software
On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 12:27:23PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
> You woulda thunk that Mac people,
> being into shiny things and usability, would have at least one useable
> news program. But no, they don't. They all suck, and they all manage
> to suck and deserve hate in interesting, new and different ways.
Have you tried Thoth[0]? If so, how does it suck? (No partisanship here; I
don't use Usenet.)
[0] Formerly YA Newswatcher, a client I was very happy with for years.
http://www.thothsw.com/thoth/
From: David Cantrell Date: 14:41 on 25 Aug 2003 Subject: Re: Mac usenet software Earle Martin wrote: > Have you tried Thoth[0]? Yup > If so, how does it suck? I have to be honest, it mostly sucks because it doesn't behave anything like the Agent that I am used to.
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ask_Bj=F8rn_Hansen?=
Date: 15:05 on 25 Aug 2003
Subject: Re: Mac usenet software
On Monday, Aug 25, 2003, at 04:27 America/Los_Angeles, David Cantrell
wrote:
> So every few months I get sufficiently pissed off and decide to find a
> native OS X client with a shiny GUI. You woulda thunk that Mac
> people, being into shiny things and usability, would have at least one
> useable news program. But no, they don't. They all suck, and they
> all manage to suck and deserve hate in interesting, new and different
> ways.
Who needs shiny? OS X comes with a great newsreader.
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From: Piers Cawley Date: 17:43 on 25 Aug 2003 Subject: Re: Mac usenet software Ask Bj=F8rn Hansen <ask@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> writes: > On Monday, Aug 25, 2003, at 04:27 America/Los_Angeles, David Cantrell > wrote: > >> So every few months I get sufficiently pissed off and decide to find >> a native OS X client with a shiny GUI. You woulda thunk that Mac >> people, being into shiny things and usability, would have at least >> one useable news program. But no, they don't. They all suck, and >> they all manage to suck and deserve hate in interesting, new and >> different ways. > > Who needs shiny? OS X comes with a great newsreader. > > $ emacs -nw -f gnus And if I could just work out wtf this build of emacs doesn't seem capable of making nntp connections under Gnus I'd be really happy with it.
From: Chris Nandor Date: 15:52 on 25 Aug 2003 Subject: Re: Mac usenet software At 12:27 +0100 2003.08.25, David Cantrell wrote: >So every few months I get sufficiently pissed off and decide to find a >native OS X client with a shiny GUI. You woulda thunk that Mac people, >being into shiny things and usability, would have at least one useable >news program. But no, they don't. They all suck, and they all manage >to suck and deserve hate in interesting, new and different ways. Bah. MT-NewsWatcher is great, and if you disagree, then you have a bug.
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